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Joe Siegfried
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posted July 21, 2004 12:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Joe Siegfried     Edit/Delete Message
Doesn't all tempered glass have the stamp in the corner of the window?

Phillip Stojanik
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posted July 21, 2004 01:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Phillip Stojanik   Click Here to Email Phillip Stojanik     Edit/Delete Message
Generally speaking there should be a label on all currently produced tempered glass panes, but…

IRC 2000 #R308.1 under Exceptions: 2. Tempered spandrel glass may be identified by the manufacturer with a removable paper label.

I doubt you are going to find much spandrel glass in a residential setting but I am sure there are some exceptions out there.

Also, #R308.1.1 Identification of multipane assemblies. Multipane assemblies having individual panes not exceeding 1 square foot in exposed area shall have at least one pane in the assembly identified in accordance with Section R308.1. All other panes in the assembly shall be labeled “16 CFR 1201”.

There is also a fairly long list of exceptions where tempered glass would not be required if other criteria are being met. If you have the IRC available, check out Section R308 on Glazing.

Joe Siegfried
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posted July 21, 2004 02:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Joe Siegfried     Edit/Delete Message
Thanks Phillip...The house in question is 53 years old but has just been through a complete remodel with all new vinyl windows.
The living room window is 18 inches from the front door and is approx 2 feet off the floor. The bathroom window is 55 inches to the bottom of the window measured from the bottom of the tub.

According to code check they have to be tempered if they're less than 24" of door swing.

What about a bathroom window above the bath tub that's 55" above the tub floor?
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Jerry Peck
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posted July 21, 2004 02:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jerry Peck   Click Here to Email Jerry Peck     Edit/Delete Message
To expand on Phillips posts so you can understand it better.

SECTION R308
GLAZING
[B] R308.1 Identification. Except as indicated in Section R308.1.1, each pane of glazing installed in hazardous locations as defined in Section R308.4 shall be provided with a manufacturer's or installer's label, designating the type and thickness of glass and the safety glazing standard with which it complies, which is visible in the final installation. The label shall be acid etched, sandblasted, ceramic-fired, embossed mark, or shall be of a type which once applied cannot be removed without being
destroyed.

That means it is required.

The exception Phillip mentioned ONLY refers to spandrel glass, or glass which is used to cover non-visible areas of a structure, the glass used, for example, to cover a wall area. This will not be found in the typical residence.

For a better idea of what this is referring to and to understand why these can have removable labels (and why you will not likely see them in a residence), go here what is spandrel glass?.

So, in a residence, unless you actually do find spandrel glass, yes, it needs to be marked.

Not withstanding those which fall into this exception:

R308.1.1 Identification of multipane assemblies. Multi-pane assemblies having individual panes not exceeding 1 square foot (0.09 m2) in exposed area shall have at least one pane in the assembly identified in accordance with Section R308.1. All other panes in the assembly shall be labeled "16
CFR 1201."

This exception would apply to those separate panels in a multi-panel door, say a 9 panel door, however, one must be marked with the full marking and the others marked (as Phillip said) with "16 CFR 1201".

The doors I've seen which try to get around the 'each pane shall be marked' and just mark one pane, forget to even mark the other panes with "16 CFR 120". If they are going to mark them with that, why not the same safety glass mark?

Joe, your second post came in as I was typing this, both of those need to be marked. They do not meet the exceptions.

Phillip Stojanik
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posted July 21, 2004 02:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Phillip Stojanik   Click Here to Email Phillip Stojanik     Edit/Delete Message
Looks like both windows should indeed be tempered glass. The one adjacent to the door because its less than 24 inches horizontally from the arc swing of the closed door and the bottom of the window is less than 60 inches above the floor. The window at the tub should be tempered because its less than 60 inches above the tub standing surface. Since the windows are new, I would expect to see the tempered glass labeling permanently etched on the glass.

Good call Joe!

Joe Siegfried
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posted July 21, 2004 03:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Joe Siegfried     Edit/Delete Message
Thanks you two, I appreciate the help and explanations.

Rick Hurst
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posted July 21, 2004 04:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Rick Hurst   Click Here to Email Rick Hurst     Edit/Delete Message
Don't forget tempered glass in the windows if at the bottom of a stairway also. Find a lot of them that are not tempered.

Rick

Neal Arthur Muckler
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posted July 21, 2004 11:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Neal Arthur Muckler   Click Here to Email Neal Arthur Muckler     Edit/Delete Message
Joe,
Welcome to the wonderful world of window replacements and the advanced code and safety education all window replacement technicians strive to achieve. When it's wrong write it up!!!
Neal in San Diego.

Erol Kartal
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posted July 30, 2004 08:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Erol Kartal     Edit/Delete Message
Tempered glass required for shower doors too.

Erol Kartal

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